70. My Kids Share Their Thoughts On Business, Money and Working From Home
22 September 2020 | By Salome Schillack
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Salome Schillack (00:00):
Hello and welcome to Episode #70 of the Shine Show and today is an hilarious episode. Well at least it was for me and I really hope it is for you too. I'm interviewing my two children about my business, working from home, having a flexible job, making money and the difference between jobs Mommies and Daddies do and I hope that you find this one very entertaining. Enjoy.
Salome Schillack (00:33):
Giving up your time and freedom to make money is so 2009. Hi, I'm your host Salome Schillack, and I help online course creators launch, grow and scale their businesses with Facebook and Instagram ads so that they can make more money and have an even bigger impact in the world. If you're ready to be inspired, to dream bigger, launch sooner and grow your online business faster, then tune in because you are ready to shine and this is the Shine Show.
Salome Schillack (01:07):
Every morning I sit down and I write in my journal the 10 biggest goals that I have for my life and I write them as if they've already come true and one of those things that I have on my list is that my two daughters will grow up believing that they can do and be anything they want to be and having pure confidence in their ability to make money. It has been a massive driver in my life for them to know that they are not reliant on a boss, they're not reliant on a husband, they're not reliant on anything other than their own beautiful brains and their own creativity and their ability to add value to the world in order to make money and I have that perspective today because I've had to do the work and the work started for me from a desire, a deep desire to just be able to be a Mommy and also make money.
Salome Schillack (02:09):
And I will be honest that when I started all of this, I also had a very deep rooted feeling of the unfairness that my husband gets to go to work every day and I had to stay at home and change nappies and breastfeed and all the things that goes with it. I have always been an incredibly independent person and when I had kids, part of me felt like I lost my independence.
Salome Schillack (02:38):
But I also am very resilient and I am a fighter and I know that when my back is to the wall the best in me comes out and a part of that now in hindsight, I can see that a huge part of that was a driving force for me initially to start the business. At the time, I thought it was only borne from a desire to be able to be at home with my kids, not have to answer to a boss for my time and also earn money, but I can see that there was a little bit of rebellion in me for this whole way in that the masculine system that we still live in is set up for the Dads to go to work and the Moms to stay at home.
Salome Schillack (03:22):
I started working when I was 16. I got my first waitressing job then because I hated asking my Dad for money. I have always been incredibly driven for financial independence, particularly independence from not just a man, but from any other human. I wanted to rely on myself because I knew I can trust myself. I knew I will follow through. I knew I had the grit to make something work and I guess that's why in the beginning when I got my ass kicked so squarely in the business, it was such a hard pill for me to swallow, but that was the best thing for me because it taught me what I'm really made of. And when the business did start taking off three years later and two jobs later, it was so much sweeter and now I look back at it and I'm so grateful for the time.
Salome Schillack (04:15):
So back to the goal that I have for my children to understand that they can be and do anything they want to be or do and they will never be held back by their gender and they will never be reliant on someone else to make a living. It's very important for me that they grow up knowing that they can make a living any time they know how to use their creativity to add value to the world and I created [Brooke Astere 00:04:44] from the life coach school for teaching me that, that all money comes from creating a value and that when we sell information and we sell life change and we sell helping other people, then we are only ever really limited by how creative we are in terms of how we can add value to people and there's such a tremendous piece of freedom for me in knowing that, in knowing that I don't have to rely on a traditional masculine system in order to provide for my family or in order to add as much value to the world as I want.
Salome Schillack (05:28):
And as you're going to hear my kids say, "Make as much moolah as I want." So there's a few things when you listen to this episode that I might need to put into context for you first. My kids say, when I ask them, "What does Daddy do for a living?" One of them says "He makes gas." Now whilst that is not entirely untrue, he does not do that for a living. He works for Shell, which is a gas company and so my kids just it's easier for them to remember that Daddy makes gas. He does not make the gas. He is a total pin pusher who sits behind the computers and does amazing things and talks to amazing people, but that's what he does. So when you hear them say "Daddy makes gas," for a living, that's what they mean. I am very, very, very proud of the fact like you will hear when I interview them, that I am fishing for them to tell me if there's a difference between jobs that Daddy's do and jobs that Mommy's do and they don't have a clue what I'm talking about.
Salome Schillack (06:30):
Then I also ask them about the workload distribution in our home and the jobs that Mommy does and the jobs that Daddy does and if there's a difference and if we can all do the same things and I am so incredibly grateful to my wonderful husband [Demille 00:06:47], who taught me this, that a man, I grew up in a very traditional home where my mother did most of the housework and took care of the family and he got to go to work and come home to a cooked meal and relaxed and didn't do much around the house. So my wonderful husband taught me that a man can do all the same things a woman can do and there's no such thing as a woman's jobs in the house and a man's jobs in the house and I'm very lucky that my children have taken that on board and they don't even know what I'm talking about when I'm asking them about different jobs, Mommies and Daddies do at home.
Salome Schillack (07:20):
They make a very clear point about the fact that Daddy's a better cook than me. And then finally, the last thing that you're going to hear that I have a thought about that I want to share is it was so important to me starting this business, that I had flexibility, that I was able to work and be there for the kids. And the funny thing is I ask them, what is the one thing that they don't like about my job? And both of them say that I don't spend enough time with them and when I point out that, "Well, I spend pretty much," I pick them up from school every afternoon and spend pretty much half of my time with them and half of my time sometimes still wrapping up a few things in the office or taking a few calls or recording a podcast episode.
Salome Schillack (08:08):
They are only seeing the part where I'm in my office and they're not seeing much of the part where they don't have to go to afterschool care and their Mommy is at all the school events and they're not seeing that. And there is still a double standard in our house definitely because they don't expect that Daddy to spend time with them in the afternoons, but they do expect it of me and they do feel done in by the fact that sometimes I have to work in the afternoons and they don't even think about it twice for Daddy. So there you have it. I am not going to continue to talk because you are here to hear it from the horses mouth and here are my kids.
Salome Schillack (08:56):
Thank you so much for being my child and for being on the podcast.
[inaudible 00:09:03] Mama.
Salome Schillack (09:03):
You're welcome my darling. Do you want to tell everyone what your name is?
Salome Schillack (09:09):
And how old are you?
Salome Schillack (09:12):
Oh, you're seven. You sure you're not three?
Salome Schillack (09:16):
Oh, and when did you turn?
Seven days ago?
Salome Schillack (09:24):
That's right. So you're seven years and seven days old. So Mommy just wanted to ask you a few questions about Mommy's job. You want to talk about Mommy's job?
Salome Schillack (09:36):
What do you think Mommy does?
I think she makes Facebook Ads.
Salome Schillack (09:44):
What are Facebook ads?
They're these videos that tell you about things.
Salome Schillack (09:55):
Videos that tell you about things. What kind of things?
Salome Schillack (09:58):
You don't know? That's all right.
Because I don't, you've never told me they're about.
Salome Schillack (10:05):
That's right. I haven't ever told you what they're about. That's why we're chatting now. I want to see how much of you've picked up. So tell Mommy a little bit, how many videos does Mommy make? Does Mommy make lots of videos?
Not that much in a week.
Salome Schillack (10:19):
Not that much in a week, all right. What does Mommy do in a week?
She records it.
Salome Schillack (10:26):
I do, I do record things. And are you allowed to be around here when I'm recording?
Salome Schillack (10:31):
And what do you do when I'm recording?
I have to keep myself busy.
Salome Schillack (10:36):
That's right and you're very good at it. What are some of your favorite things to keep yourself busy when Mommy's recording?
Salome Schillack (10:45):
Art, what kind of art?
I like painting pictures.
Salome Schillack (10:48):
Oh that's good.
Salome Schillack (10:53):
That's very cool. Do you think painting pictures and drawing is similar to making videos and recordings?
Salome Schillack (11:03):
So you and I are both creative, and tell me one day when you're big, what do you want to do?
I want to be an artist.
Salome Schillack (11:13):
You want to be an artist? That's so cool.
Or a singer or a vet.
Salome Schillack (11:22):
Or a singer or a vet or maybe you can become a singing vet.
Salome Schillack (11:29):
Tell Mommy, do you think, who drops you off at school in the morning?
Salome Schillack (11:35):
Daddy. Who picks you up in the afternoon?
Salome Schillack (11:39):
Both of us?
I don't know.
Salome Schillack (11:42):
Who picks you up in the afternoon?
Oh yeah, you.
Salome Schillack (11:48):
And who makes your lunch?
Salome Schillack (11:51):
And who makes your dinner?
Salome Schillack (11:53):
Yes. Do you think there's a difference in jobs that Mommies do and jobs the Daddies do? What's the difference?
They are different work. They [inaudible 00:12:04] in different things that you have to do.
Salome Schillack (12:11):
That's true, that's very true. Do you know why Mommy started the business?
Maybe because you would have fun.
Salome Schillack (12:21):
That's right. It is a lot of fun, hey do you think jobs are supposed to be fun? You think it's not supposed to be fun?
Salome Schillack (12:32):
Sometimes. Do you think Mommy has fun when I do my job? Yes. Do you think Daddy has fun when he does his job? You do? Oh, that's wonderful.
And you make moolah.
Salome Schillack (12:44):
And we make moolah. Is it important to make moolah? Is it not important?
Yeah, it is so that you can have a house here.
Salome Schillack (12:56):
Yeah, so you can have a house. What else does making moolah give you?
Salome Schillack (13:04):
What about holidays?
Yes, that is true.
Salome Schillack (13:08):
And art equipment? Hey, all your paint brushes. Do you want to make money one day?
Salome Schillack (13:18):
You do? You want to make a little bit of money or do you want make a lot of money?
A lot so I can go [inaudible 00:13:26].
Salome Schillack (13:28):
And what else would you do if you make money?
I could have a house like Richie rich with secret doorways that my sister doesn't know of.
Salome Schillack (13:36):
Oh, that sounds very cool, all right.
And the secret door has money in it.
Salome Schillack (13:44):
That sounds great. You'll have huge, heaping money volts. And what else would you do with the money?
Salome Schillack (13:53):
Eat, yes. And what about help other people?
I would eat chocolate.
Salome Schillack (13:59):
You would eat chocolate. Okay, I see where you're going with this. Tell Mommy a little bit do you think there's a difference between Mommy's job and other Mommy's jobs? What's the difference?
They do different things that you'd have to do, like Daddy as to make gas.
Salome Schillack (14:18):
You have to make Facebook Ads.
Salome Schillack (14:21):
That's right. And what about other Mommies? What jobs do other Mommies do?
They could work at Shell. They could work at lifeguards.
Salome Schillack (14:34):
They could be lifeguards, that's right? What else?
They could be artists.
Salome Schillack (14:42):
They could be artists.
They could be singers, they could be vets, they could be doctors, they could be dentists.
Salome Schillack (14:47):
Do you think you can be anything you want to be?
Salome Schillack (14:51):
Mm-hmm (affirmative). You can be now.
Well you can't have wings.
Salome Schillack (14:53):
You can't have what?
You can't have wings.
Salome Schillack (14:58):
You can't have wings.
Or anything that's fake.
Salome Schillack (15:03):
Or anything that's fake, but you can fly, you just can't have wings?
You can't fly.
Salome Schillack (15:08):
You can get in an airplane and fly.
I mean without airplane.
Salome Schillack (15:14):
Oh yeah, no you can't do that. What do you like about Mommy's business or Mommy's job? Is there anything you like about it?
Salome Schillack (15:28):
That you make moolah. What? You do.
Salome Schillack (15:35):
I do, you're right, I do. Why do you like it that I make moolah?
So that I can have a beautiful house that's a mansion.
Salome Schillack (15:45):
That's a mansion.
What? This is three layers.
Salome Schillack (15:48):
Yeah, it is. And what about all your art stuff and all your activities?
[crosstalk 00:00:15:58], bubbles.
Salome Schillack (16:00):
Even bubbles, yes. You like that Mommy makes money so that you can buy bubbles? That's wonderful. And what do you not like about it Mommy working?
That I don't get to spend time with you.
Salome Schillack (16:15):
That you don't get, when do you not get to spend time with me?
When you're working.
Salome Schillack (16:20):
When you're at home while I'm working?
Salome Schillack (16:23):
Does that happen a lot?
Salome Schillack (16:26):
When does it happen?
Usually when I'm at school.
Salome Schillack (16:29):
When you're at school? What about in the afternoons?
You have to work.
Salome Schillack (16:35):
Do I work every afternoon?
Salome Schillack (16:38):
That's not true.
Except for weekends.
Salome Schillack (16:41):
Except for weekends and except for when I'm courting you around to all your activities.
And except also when we're on holidays.
Salome Schillack (16:50):
And except for when we're on holidays, do we go on a lot of holidays?
Yeah, we're going on one very soon.
Salome Schillack (16:57):
We are, yes. Do you like it when we go on holidays?
Salome Schillack (17:02):
What's your favorite holiday, skiing or swimming?
Salome Schillack (17:08):
Probably skiing, yeah.
I am a moose with horns.
Salome Schillack (17:13):
Tell me one last thing. Tell me what do you love most about Mommy?
That she's my Mama.
Salome Schillack (17:24):
And what would you like to have more of Mommy?
Salome Schillack (17:28):
More play time. Okay, kiddo. I hear you. We'll work on play time, okay? Thank you. You've been brilliant. It's your sister's turn. I love you. I love you.
Salome Schillack (17:40):
Well, there you heard from Elle, my feisty little crafty baby and next you are going to from [Mila 00:17:59], my oldest and most gentle and beautiful creative child, enjoy.
Salome Schillack (17:56):
Salome Schillack (18:00):
Can you tell everyone who you are and how old you are?
I'm Mila, Salome Schillack's daughter and I am nine.
Salome Schillack (18:11):
You're nine. And tell us what is your favorite thing to do?
I'd say probably making clothes.
Salome Schillack (18:23):
Making clothes, yes. Do you make a lot of clothes?
Salome Schillack (18:29):
Just now I was knitting.
Salome Schillack (18:31):
Just now you were knitting, that's right. You're knitting too. And what do you want to be one day when you grow up?
A fashion designer.
Salome Schillack (18:38):
A fashion designer, that's so cool. And what are you doing right now in terms of fashion designing?
Right now, I'm meshing a staff.
Salome Schillack (18:50):
That's fantastic. That's wonderful. Do you think fashion designing is something boys and girls can do?
Salome Schillack (19:00):
Do you think there are jobs that only girls can do? Or maybe there's jobs that only boys can do?
Maybe, I just haven't heard of those yet.
Salome Schillack (19:13):
Right, great. Mommy thinks anybody can do any job they want to do.
Salome Schillack (19:20):
That's right. And then switching to Mommy's job, tell us what you think. What does Mommy do?
She does Facebook Ads and teaches other people how to do Facebook ads and makes a lot of moolah.
Salome Schillack (19:43):
Did you and your sister rehearse that?
Salome Schillack (19:46):
No? You both said exactly the same thing. That's very funny. Okay, so if I create Facebook ads and I teach other people how to do Facebook ads, what does that mean? What is Facebook Ads?
It's an ad you put on Facebook.
Salome Schillack (20:04):
Facebook is like Instagram.
Salome Schillack (20:09):
Instagram is a social media app where you can show other people what you're doing.
Salome Schillack (20:20):
That's right. And why would you want to put ads on there?
So that you can make money/
Salome Schillack (20:25):
So that you can make money. And what type, do you know what type of ads Mommy does?
Salome Schillack (20:36):
It's okay if you don't, it's okay if you don't.
She does ads for her online courses.
Salome Schillack (20:44):
Ah, you got it. You are so clever, that's right. So Mommy works with online course creators. And do you know why Mommy started the business?
[crosstalk 00:00:21:00], because she was broke?
Salome Schillack (21:01):
Because I was broke? I certainly was broke. Because I was broke, yes. That's not the only reason though. Do you remember when I started the business?
You started the business when Elle was just born.
Salome Schillack (21:15):
Then you told me you flick, you went completely out of business and you became this medicine tester or something.
Salome Schillack (21:27):
Yes, the pharmaceutical rep.
Whatever that is. And then you continued and then you decided you didn't want to do that anymore and continue your Shine and Succeed life.
Salome Schillack (21:41):
Continue my Shine and Succeed life, what is Shine and Succeed?
It's your business.
Salome Schillack (21:47):
What does it mean to shine and succeed?
It means to shine is to like show your outer beauty or sometimes inner beauty.
Salome Schillack (22:00):
Okay, I like that. That's very funny. And did you know that I actually started the business so that I can be at home with you guys and make money at the same time?
Salome Schillack (22:16):
You didn't know that? Okay. Who here in the house makes your lunch?
Salome Schillack (22:22):
Who makes your dinner?
Salome Schillack (22:26):
Who's the best cook?
Salome Schillack (22:31):
Do you think Mommy should be allowed to cook?
Salome Schillack (22:34):
Do you think there are things... No, Mommy should not be allowed to cook. Do you think there are things in the house that mommies should do and things the Daddy's should do? Or do you think we can both do all both things?
I think you can both do both things because like then it's just being sexist.
Salome Schillack (22:54):
That's a very big word for a nine year old.
Salome Schillack (23:00):
What do you like best about Mommy working from home?
That she can take breaks and just walk out of her office and say hi to us whenever we're finished with school and she can pick us up from school instead of driving home from a long way away, picking us up late from school and it can also help you get delicious lunch out of the fridge.
Salome Schillack (23:36):
Get delicious lunch out of the fridge, that's right, that I didn't cook. And since COVID happened, Daddy's been working from home too. What has been the best part of having Mommy and Daddy work from home?
Salome Schillack (23:52):
Has it been different when Daddy used to be working in the office?
When Daddy used to be working at the office, he normally only come home at like seven o'clock, which is half an hour before our bed time and then sometimes when he has these big parties at his work, we don't even get to see him that night. And when he worked from his office, he'd normally go to the gym and then he'd go straight to the office, then we wouldn't be able to say good morning to him.
Salome Schillack (24:25):
That's right. And now how is it in the morning?
I like it because he can make us breakfast. Better breakfast than you and sometimes cook us bacon because you don't know how to do that.
Salome Schillack (24:47):
Salome Schillack (24:47):
And who dropped you off at school in the morning?
Salome Schillack (24:52):
Most mornings, who drops you off at school?
Most morning it's...
Salome Schillack (24:58):
Okay, let's do this. Most mornings since COVID?
Most mornings since COVID it has been Daddy.
Salome Schillack (25:08):
Yes, Daddy's dropped you off every single morning since COVID.
Unless in flick he has this big call.
Salome Schillack (25:15):
Unless he has a meeting. Most mornings Daddy's dropping off, so our morning routine is a lot more family, a lot more all of us together doing things together and then Daddy takes you to school. And who picks you up in the afternoon?
Mostly Mommy, mostly you. But then if you're like on a call or something, like in the middle of a podcast, episode recordings, then Daddy would pick us up.
Salome Schillack (25:47):
And who drives you around to all your activities in the afternoon?
How is this related to your job?
Salome Schillack (25:52):
It's totally related, I'll show you.
Salome Schillack (25:57):
Me, yes. So I asked Elle what is her least favorite thing about Mommy's job? What is your least favorite thing about Mommy's job?
The bit where she doesn't spend time with us after school.
Salome Schillack (26:13):
Ah, so after school I drive you around and sometimes after school I work.
Salome Schillack (26:20):
And so your least favorite part is when I'm working.
Yeah, like on a Wednesday I only have two hours with you, but then you're working and then I have to go to AGC for two hours and then it's bedtime.
Salome Schillack (26:40):
What is your favorite thing about Mommy's job?
I'd say the part where you make money.
Salome Schillack (26:49):
Is that your favorite part?
Salome Schillack (26:51):
Why is that your favorite part? What do you get to do with the money that I make?
Well, you get to spend it.
Salome Schillack (26:58):
On what? What do I spend money on?
You spend it on a lot of things.
Salome Schillack (27:05):
Like that background in your office, you spent money on that.
Salome Schillack (27:11):
I did, a very little.
And you spent money on my whole room.
Salome Schillack (27:17):
I did. I spent a lot of money on your room.
Especially the bed.
Salome Schillack (27:23):
And what about all your activities?
Yes, and for AGC and for gymnastics and for drama and for Elle's AGC.
Salome Schillack (27:36):
For AGC is Australian Girls Choir.
Yeah, I know that.
Salome Schillack (27:42):
I know that, the listeners don't know that.
Just telling the peeps.
Salome Schillack (27:43):
Yes, I'm telling the peeps. Okay, so what if I told you that before I started the business when I was a pharmaceutical rep and I had a job and I had to work for somebody else, I would not have been able to drive you around to all your activities in the afternoons because I would have been at my job.
I don't remember that.
Salome Schillack (28:10):
Because you were little. You were in dykey, you were in dykey. Do you remember being in daycare?
Salome Schillack (28:17):
Do you remember going to afterschool care?
Oh yeah, on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Salome Schillack (28:23):
Yes. So there was a time when Mommy had a job, when I didn't spend any time with you guys in the afternoons. Now I spend some time with you in the afternoons and sometime in the afternoons I work. So it's interesting for me that you and Elle both said your least favorite thing about my job is that I work in the afternoons.
Salome Schillack (28:49):
Okay, touche. I will take that one and I will work harder on reminding you guys how lucky you are that your mother does not have a full time job, that I have-
Full time jobs are hard.
Salome Schillack (29:04):
They are. Who has a full time job in this house?
You do and so does Daddy.
Salome Schillack (29:11):
How many hours a day do you think Daddy spends in his office?
Maybe like one out of his office while we're at school like to eat lunch too and to just have a break, so that's one hour, that makes it five hours and then like one extra hour after school, so basically six hours roundabout.
Salome Schillack (29:38):
Only six hours?
Six or seven.
Salome Schillack (29:42):
Okay, well thank you Mila. Tell me, is there any other thoughts you have about Mommy's job?
How do you make an online course?
Salome Schillack (29:55):
That's a big thought, why are you interested in online courses?
It's online websites because I want to create this thing called Online Art and it's where kids and teenagers any age can do a, let's say theme every month and then they can create any type of art like paper machete, painting, drawing, coloring, anything out of it and so like say the first thing is pets. I can draw a [digrat 00:30:35], I can draw a bunny, a cat and a dog all sitting together.
Salome Schillack (30:41):
Cool. So you want to start a membership?
Salome Schillack (30:45):
That's fantastic. When do you want to do that?
I want to start now.
Salome Schillack (30:50):
Start now. Why do you want to do that?
I can make money and so that I can make, and the money is to go to my business so I can create clothes and all that stuff much faster.
Salome Schillack (31:02):
I like how you're thinking. You want to start a membership so you can have capital to start your fashion design business, I love how you're thinking kid. Okay, do you have any other thoughts that you want to share about Mommy's business?
No, is there any thoughts you thinking of mine?
Salome Schillack (31:25):
I have a lot of thoughts about your business, but we can talk about that later. I'm very proud of you, kiddo.
Salome Schillack (31:33):
Are you proud of me?
Yes, I'm very proud of you.
Salome Schillack (31:36):
Why are you proud of me?
Because you have a whole podcast that has around 70 episodes. You told me that and you have a successful business and you make a lot of money.
Salome Schillack (31:59):
I love that's the thing you and your sister both are very proud of on me. Okay, well thank you so much. I appreciate that and I'm sure our listeners are going to want you back again to share more embarrassing things about your mother. Thank you so much.
And like comment or something saying questions you want my mum to ask me so that I can answer it.
Salome Schillack (32:27):
Oh, hang on. Hold on. Do you want people to share questions with you that you can ask me to answer?
No, like you can ask me or I can ask you.
Salome Schillack (32:39):
I get it, get it. All right, well I think that-
It could be another kiddo episode.
Salome Schillack (32:44):
Another kiddo episode, we'll do another kiddo episode at some point. Thank you kiddo, I appreciate it. Love you.
Salome Schillack (32:52):
Salome Schillack (32:53):
Well there you have it. What more can I say from the horses mouth? I hope you enjoyed that. I had a lot of fun making that and like Mila said, if you want to send in a question that you want them to ask me, you can email that to email@example.com any time and we will save those questions. I won't make you guys listen to my kids right after this episode, but if you did want to hear more about this or you want to hear more from them on the podcast, then email me firstname.lastname@example.org and we will put another one together. I hope you enjoyed that my friend and I hope you are safe and healthy and well, wherever you are today, take care. I will see you again next week, bye.
Salome Schillack (33:51):
Thank you so much for listening. If you had fun, please come back next week and remember to hit that subscribe button so you never miss a thing.
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